The ugly4 definition - oceanic freedom - with footnote

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:48am

The freedom of the ocean comes with a footnote. There are things you are not free to do anywhere on the planet, not in a “sovereign land state” not in a seastead ouside the 12 miles nor the 200 mile zone. If you engage in those “ugly4” somebody will interfere no matter what your “legal standing” is.

When ever we say “on the ocean you are free to do whatever you want” it comes with the footnote “except the ugly4”.

Spill
Resource Theft
Terror
Crime against Humanity

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:48am

Your can act free but not against basic human ethics

In the medical seastead thread we had a typical example. You can build a medical seastead and operate it interference free without asking anybody ( including FDA ) for any kind of permit.

But this comes with a footnote - you can do that only as long as you do “ethical correct medicin on the seastead”.

If your purpose would be transfering kidneys from poor Indian people to rich Americans on the transplant waiting list, press would title this “crime against humanity” and somebody at some point would definitly interfere.

So i suppose you can sum up the ugly 4 under “activity rejected by mankind” - nobody in no configuration is free to do such things anywhere on the planet.

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:48am

It is not really a legal detail analysis thing

It is a concept error in many of the seasteading discussions that they focus on “legal discussion” and “legal concepts” the base condition of a free floating entity is that “nobodies legal applies” because floating entities are “out of jurisdiction” by default ( flag of convenience) and this is ok because their mobility creates a “impossibility of reasonable application of any national law anyhow”.

The error that most commit is putting “out of jurisdiction” equal to “lawless” - good neighborhood behavior, good trade with anybody, fit in the ethical frame of humanity is still required even if a entity is “out of jurisdiction”. If not applying to those “universal ethical principles” you call in problems wherever you operate inside and outside EEZ it is just the same.

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:49am

It is not gun boat politics that marks the frame

It is not really a 19.century gunboat politics thing… blush - in marine practice we don’t do things that way anymore. It has more to do with a “customary agreement” that forms the “minimum base” anybody who has “political and economic influence” can agree to… oceanic freedom is the core of free container trade that moves 90% of the goods all land cities of all nations need equally to flow freely - gun blasting interruptions are not welcome and rejected by mankind for good and practical reasons…

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:49am

The limits of the big Gorilla

Even the biggest gorilla in the monkey cage of nations can not afford to stay without friends in a globalized container trade world. So nobody is “shooting this out in wild west way anymore” we made the last intent to do it that way between 1918 and 1945 - lead us directly to two world wars and guaranteed mutual atomic destruction - since then we have learned that cooperation is a better way to go…this is why the oceans are free and will stay free and nationalist jurisdiction can not be extended to it.

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:49am

The limits of naval intervention

…Naval Intervention… - Neandertal behavior is not any longer the “leading politics” it can not be afforded on a 7 billion planet that needs close cooperation to make survival of mankind possible - nationalist muscle play with naval forces is out global cooperation networks are in - it is part of humanity growing out of its childhood pants leaving stupid behavior behind in the process. relaxed read more what is going down the drain and what is upcomming… the basic minimal cooperation on the oceans is just the tip of the iceberg of a new world comming and seasteading will have an important part in it.

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:50am

USA is a special case in marine context

In the international marine context the USA is doing a lot of things in practice that go beyond the customary legal base. I assume that is the privilege of being the biggest Gorilla in the monkey cage of nations - so it is definitly indicated for a seastead not to piss off sufficiently to call the attention of this Gorilla on your seastead. Two business strategies are possible DISTANCE and NICE BEHAVIOR with good trade relations - engaging in the ugly4 will definitly call the attention. All things that will not call the the rage of the US-navy can be considered the “frame of oceanic freedom to exercise and do business interference free”.

admin · April 3, 2015, 3:50am

Size of the navy is not good for much anymore

In general i think if we look at the size of the navy we are looking in the wrong direction.

In our global networking world guns has become less important because there are very few things you can shoot at that bring any benefit into your pocket at the end. Real power has shifted from guns to money and money is not gold anymore you can violently dragg away from the central vault of the community you subdue, with guns. Money today is numbers in global computer networks - and that changes the game fundamentally.

So to understand the way our world works and what and who is “playing the music it dances to” you better look at money than at guns. The nationalist, gun, violence, and subdue business, is just being replaced by the global network, cooperation, opt in, opt out, business. Another sideeffect of technology leading to something new.